Building Well for Enduring Revival: How Roots that Outlive You Impact Future Generations
Explore how hidden faithfulness, deep roots, and generational thinking prepare us for God’s move. Sam Couper shares why revival isn’t just about sudden moments, but about long-term surrender, friendship, and spiritual foundations that outlast us.
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00:00 Introduction: Meeting Sam Couper and the Heart for Revival
01:14 Sam's Journey: From Engineering to Leading a Movement
02:24 Defining Revival: An Intensification of the Holy Spirit's Work
03:19 Stories of God's Movement: The Spiritualist on the Bench
05:35 Revival is God's Initiative: Understanding Our Role as Vessels
06:52 The David Principle: God Looks at the Heart, Not Outward Appearance
09:26 Three Layers of Revival Readiness: Personal, Relational, and Missional
13:18 Overcoming Hindrances: Surrender, Brokenness, and Jumping in the River
17:08 God's Redirections Ready Us for Revival: Lessons from Paul's Journey
18:19 Revival Tour Insights: Lessons from Hebrides and Wales
20:13 The Welsh Revival Story: Bend Me, God and the Suddenly Moments
21:50 Building Foundations: Enduring the Gradual to Experience the Suddenly
25:25 The Nehemiah Pattern: Hiddenness, Assessment, and Strategic Building
29:19 What's Next for Sam: The Aspen Tree Leadership Model
33:24 Generational Legacy: Praying for the Third and Fourth Generation
35:26 Breaking the Jar: Creating Space for Suddenly Moments
Welcome to the What's Next podcast. And today I'm super excited to have Mr. Sam Cooper with me. I absolutely love and adore Sam. He's one of my favorite human beings on the planet because he carries a passion for what I'm deeply passionate about, which is revival. and seeing God move in a great way. Sam is a young man that has wisdom way beyond his years, and he's leading Revive Europe in an incredible way and seeing God do fantastic things. And I know that we're going to learn a lot from you today, Sam. So excited for this conversation. We're going to anchor our conversation today around this idea of revival readiness and what does it mean to be revival ready as we're trusting God for revival around the world What does it mean to be ready for that? Are we ready for what God wants to do in our generation? Are you ready for the next that God has planned for you? And how do you get that revival readiness? So excited to jump into that. But first, Sam, a little bit about yourself. Give us a little bit of context for those who might not know you on this conversation. Totally. It's a real honor to be with you, Yuri. So like Yuri said, I'm 26 years old, have the privilege of leading Revive Europe, and we are a movement passionately pursuing a move of God among the student generation in our continent. I grew up in the church, gave Jesus my life when I was 16 years old, and kind of got caught up in the story of what God has been unfolding around Europe whilst at university. My plan for my life was to go and be an engineer. in a different part of the world. But I just gave my yes to Jesus and being a part of what he's unfolding in Europe back in 2022. And it has been the craziest four and a half years since. And Jesus has written a far better story than I could have asked or imagined. It's so exciting, Sam, and having journeyed with you through some of these few years that you've had, but eventful years full of God doing incredible things. Tell me a little bit, when you say Revive Europe, I mean, obviously, you guys are trusting God for revival, right? But what's your definition of revival? When is it revival? Revival. That is a great question. We love Tim Keller's definition. He said, in a revival, we see sleepy Christians wake up, nominal Christians get converted, and the unreached brought to faith. We see an intensification in the normal operation of the Holy Spirit. And for me in my journey, I went to Revive Europe when it was a conference for students back in 2019 under the leadership of Sarah Bruel. And the conference was marking Yuri. And we began to, I think we gathered with 3000 students from across Europe. We were all praying and expecting for God to do a new thing. And I went to this conference, came back on fire, but really it was the stories afterwards that were marking. Because we began to hear these stories of God starting little fires around Europe. I mean, one brief story, I got home from the conference and I was on our campus. walking home from university, our CU meeting, and had a very British moment where I was walking home. I made eye contact with the guy, sat on the bench, and then walked on without saying anything. And I just felt the Holy Spirit say, would you go back and talk to him? And everything in my flesh was like, no, it's late at night. It's too awkward. We can't be doing that. But I just heard at this conference someone encouraging us to be bold and taking these moments. So I hesitantly went back and I asked him, hey, how's it going? And he invited me to sit down. And he told me that he was a spiritualist and he ran a YouTube channel for new age practices. And then he said this morning, a voice in my head told me to sit here and wait for a message. I've been waiting all day. What's your message? And this had not happened to me in County Durham at the university. But people around Europe, students had very similar stories. And as you know, Yuri, Europe is a continent that has been known for the last decade for the climbing statistics of depression, anxiety, suicide among the young, some of the highest in the world. And it's Mark Sears who says it's oftentimes a great crisis that precede times of real renewal. So I think our revival hopes are anchored in the fact that we do believe Jesus is doing a new work in this continent in our time and in our day, and our role is to posture ourselves for that. Love it. Love it. And I love that definition of revival, right? That you closed out with saying an amplified activity of the Holy Spirit or an amplified working of the Holy Spirit. And it's that spiritual hunger that brings that, right? So it's the spiritual hunger of community and the depravity. If you read the revival stories, it's often found in the spaces of great hunger, which I think is true for Europe. and is true for a lot of the world, is that there's great hunger for God and a great depravity walking away from that somehow creates this space where people would respond and say, we're going to pray, we're going to trust God to do what we can't do with regards to revival. And it seems like those things are coming together beautifully right now. Speak to me a little bit about how you're seeing that happen. Yeah. I mean, I love what you just said, Yuri, because as a student, we would have these prayer nights for revival. And I remember coming home one night and I kind of woke up, rolled onto my knees and just was in a season of the Lord speaking in the night. And I felt him say something really clearly to me, which is, revival is my initiative, not yours. Revival is my initiative, not yours. And so my question was, okay, Lord, what does that make our role? And I heard the Lord say, you guys are the vessels. And so I think it's really important in the moment that we're in, we recognize that it is the sovereign Lord who pours out his spirit, but we can be faithful to that command of scripture to posture ourselves for it. Like we see in 2 Chronicles, or one of my favorites is in 2 Timothy 2. where Paul talks about the church as a large house. And he says, in a large house, there are vessels of gold and silver, wooden clay, and those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be set apart, made holy, useful to the master and prepared for every good work. And so, you know, I do believe we're living in this moment where God's eyes are searching to and fro for hearts that are fully committed to him so that he can strengthen them. And I think what excites me about the moment we're in is that does not necessarily jump out to us based upon our worldly metrics. It's what God is forming in the secret place. It's like we see in the young shepherd boy, David, when Samuel comes and sees all of the sons of Jesse and he thinks, hey, here's Eliab, the tallest, the most impressive. Surely it must be him. But we hear the Lord say to Samuel that he does not look as man sees. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart. I think it's been a real journey for me and my team to recognize that the call of Jesus in this season, much more than leading a charge, is about protecting the purity of heart that we're seeking Jesus with. Love it. Love it. And I want to dig into that a little bit more. But I just want to for a moment stand back and look at David's journey. So you're mentioning that the Lord doesn't see the way we see. But you mentioned that on the back of a statement that if you think of revival, it's what God does. It's not something we do. So it's what God does. And I just want to acknowledge for a moment that a lot of people listening to us today might not be in a position where they're trusting God for revival in a continent or the globe or even a city or even their own church, right? They might just be in a space where they need God for revival in themselves. They need a move of God. They need an act of God. They need God to see and God to do what they don't see right now, right? So it's that it's both on our personal level and on a global and a city level that this idea of revival actually applies. So it's not just. We look at David and we think of the nation he would lead and the legacy of Christ that would change the world through him. But for David, it was a shepherd boy probably needing a personal revival in that moment. And I think it's so beautiful how this applies personally as well as organizationally, churchwide, for the sake of our cities, for the sake of our nations. We need God to see what we don't see, to show what we don't see, and then to do what we can't do. And for me, that is what revival is, is God doing what we can't do, what we can't orchestrate. But I guess my question to you is, and you started touching on that, right, is what can we do? How do we get ready for God to move in our lives in a way that is beyond what we can do ourselves? Yeah, that's such a good question. And, you know, we've been journeying this as a team as well. And, you know, to kind of think about three layers, I would totally agree with you, Yuri, that revival has to start in our hearts. And we see that through scripture and in church history. And God doesn't need a large group. You know, we've seen him work through the ones and through the few throughout history. And in fact, Sarah Bruel, who founded Revive Europe, she used to say to us that God can do more through one person fully given to him than 100 who are only 75% in. And I think it was, was it Spurgeon who used to pray? The world is yet to see what God can do through a man fully given to him. I intend to be that man. I think it was D.L. Moody, actually. But the principle carries that it has to start in our hearts. Absolutely. And I think what we've seen beyond that when we're thinking about it starting in our hearts is then the importance of building kingdom friendships. What we've been seeing in Europe at this time is that revival moves the pace of friendship. And often when we look at church history, as you shared earlier, we can identify the ones and the twos, the men and the women that God anointed and moved through powerfully. But what we're seeing in this moment is that as well as anointing individuals, the Lord seems to be blessing the space between us. and that he is looking for friendships that can hold the weight of what he's wanting to pour out in our cities, in our contexts and beyond. I think we see that beautifully in cities like London right now and Munich, where there are these monthly nights of prayer that are built upon the friendship and the unity of church leaders in those cities. So friendship is a big part of that for us. And then thirdly, kind of building into what we're already leaning into is this thing of equipping for revival readiness. And we have found a lot of resonance with Psalm 24 in this season, Yuri, where you see this generational call to ascend the mountain of God with clean hands and pure hearts. And we believe that there's this invitation of preparation in our readiness, of preparing our hearts, preparing our friendships, and climbing high but going low in humility. And it's in that place where we encounter Jesus. I think about when he leads Peter, James, and John up the mountain and they behold his glory and it marks them. And Peter and John both write about it. But we also aren't called to stay on the mountain. And part of our equipping for revival readiness is also asking, okay, what does it look like for us to go back down the mountain into the mission field? And I think the second half of Psalm 24 encapsulates this as a battle cry, you know, lift up your hedge, your gates, be lifted up that the king of glory may come in. And so as well as the personal revival, the preparation of our friendships to sustain what God can do, there's also a real intentionality in this season, we believe, in thinking about how do we contend and pray for what we're asking God to do? How do we seek the power of God without which none of this is possible, to not come with wise and persuasive words but a demonstration of the Spirit's power? And also how can we be faithful to proclaim the gospel out in the world? Hmm. So I love that. There's a personal posture and expectation. There's an understanding that we're not in this alone, we're doing this together. But then there's a proclamation and a moving beyond. It's starting to move into what God has for us in order for us to experience that thing that God has for us. Sam, these things are great in theory. They're wonderful in experience, but they're sometimes hard to get into. How do you overcome the hindrances as a leader? to step into that. How do you overcome the fear and feeling of inadequacy to approach God or the sense of what if God doesn't or the sense of what if it doesn't show or the pride of being wrapped up in your own insecurities, right? So, I mean, the reality is in life, these things are true. You told that story earlier and you said you had a British moment. I think we all have these British moments, right? Yeah. Where God's calling us into the next, God's calling us into taking that step. He's already prepared the way. That's what I love about your story. He's made the way. He's preparing the revival. He's readying the personal and the corporates and the citywide and the countrywide revival. He's doing the work. But sometimes we struggle to take that step of activation into that journey. How do we overcome that and actually do that? Totally. I wonder if part of our overcoming is actually a recognition of God's role and our role, like you said. And, you know, thinking personally, you mentioned that story. I've come to recognize some of the biggest breakthrough moments in my life have actually come from times when I was going to walk past something or someone. And then I've actually circled back. And it's reminded me that none of this has been about my own competence or ability. And so I think first and foremost, just an admission of our own brokenness and an utter inability to make it happen in our own strength. Love that. And that honesty is very terrifying at times and hard for us to hold on to. But I think it's what prepares us for a posture of surrender. And for us, this whole journey up the mountain has to begin with surrender. And when you're climbing a literal physical mountain, you know, I've not been up Everest or Kilimanjaro, but I understand that as you ascend higher, you have to leave things behind. And I think setting off, and for me and for many of the younger leaders in this season, I think we can all share marking moments. For me, it was laying down the engineering career at university where God has invited us to a place of surrender, where often the next step is unclear. But it is more about the conviction that God is inviting us into something and that who we run with him and the people around us will ultimately overflow into doing the right stuff. And I mean, the image I love so much is that of jumping into a river. I do believe that God is sending forth a mighty rushing river. You know, we read about this in the prophets about streams of righteousness, rushing rivers of justice. And I think for many of us, we find ourselves often in that place, as you said, of standing on the riverbanks and we're not quite sure. But the invitation is to jump in, to let go of control. And then we find ourselves being carried by the flow. And there's so many moments where I find myself kicking against the stream and being like, no, I want to go this way. But I just feel more and more this invitation to lean back, to trust like we see in Psalm 23, just before Psalm 24. And I think as we do that, more and more, we will find ourselves in places that we couldn't quite imagine because he is the one carrying us. And I know that as leaders listening to this podcast, we all have stories where God has invited us to loosen our grip. And we've been through one of those seasons as a movement recently. And it's been costly. But I think it's essential if we will be ready to carry new wine for this generation. And I love that. You know, a lot of the moments of revival in our life happens when we've had to turn around. How often don't we see turning around as failure or missing it or, you know, but the willingness to in that moment have the humility to turn around and try again. I was reflecting on Paul's second missionary journey recently. And just the fact that, you know, you're talking about his ministry in. I mean, part of it ends in Ephesus, but it's his ministry to Thessaloniki, his ministry to Athens, the cultural capital, his ministry to Corinth. I mean, all those letters in the Bible and the churches they represent and the ministry they represent basically originates from him wanting to go one direction and God saying, you need to go another. and then wanting to go another, and God saying, no, not there, yeah. And it's those redirections that sometimes readies us for revival. It's God's redirections in our lives and responding to the redirection that readies us for revival. You've recently done a bit of a revival tour going through and having some experiences in some places of revival. Speak to us a little bit about that. What are some of those experiences that you've had? Yeah, it's been a real privilege. I recently went to the Hebrides, where the Hebridean revival in 1949 happened, and where the Holy Spirit was sweeping across the island of Lewis. And then I also was just in Wales this last weekend, the Welsh revival. And I mean, a few things jumped out to me. There's a few common traits we see of it being birthed in travailing prayer and just the plowder parts of men and women just willing to contend for God to do what only he can do. And I think the two lessons that stood out to me from the Hebridean revival, it was so interesting to hear, and that much of the island was impacted by the revival. But actually, Stornoway largely was untouched. And the local pastor said to me that, that one of the only reasons they can think of is that actually many of the church leaders stood up during the revival and publicly renounced, um, what the Holy spirit was doing. And I think this, well, for me, it reminded me of the importance of friendship once again, Yuri. And, I'm really in this season seeking to and encouraging my peers to build friendships that we can be honest and build trust with. I would like to hope within five years time, if the Holy Spirit is moving in a way that may offend my mind and reveal my heart, which he tends to do through history, that I could have friends for whom I could go and openly and honestly ask, hey, I'm really struggling with this. Can you help me to move towards that together? And then in the Welsh revival, I mean, I love this story because Evan Roberts is 26 years old. And again, he had this moment of turning around and he was studying and he felt called to go back to his home. And he didn't think it was the voice of the Lord. Thankfully, he had a mentor who said, this is the Lord speaking, you should go back. And it was when they gathered at a prayer meeting, the famous prayer that we know of, which Evan heard from a mentor as well, bend us, bend me, God. And I mean, two things that stood out to me. Firstly, we often talk about the slow work of God. And I think there's a lot of hidden preparation and we cannot neglect that. But also we see these suddenly moments that catalyze what God is doing in his church. And for Evan Roberts, this was a suddenly moment. And again, I think our friendships are a key part of preparing for this. And I have an older brother in the faith, Zach. And he said to me, Sam, the weight of what we're asking Jesus to do is so serious that we can't afford to take ourselves too seriously. And he said, actually, it is our friendships that help us to do that. So that when these moments of obedience come, the suddenly moments that we're prepared and ready to engage together, And for Evan Roberts, this suddenly moment, which again looked different. I would say it was a breaking of the jar moment and led to around 100,000 people getting saved, which he'd been praying for. And I love that the people at the forefront of that, the singers who would go around with the hymn, Here is love, vast as the ocean. These were school teachers, girls between the age of 15 and 23. And it just blows my mind and reminds me that God is able to do it. And he is not looking at our age or experience primarily, but he is looking at our willingness and our posture of heart. I love it. What an inspirational story, but also just the pattern again, right? So we have this posture before God. God doesn't do it at our timing, right? So God has these suddenlies, but it feels like a suddenly because there was a process towards it, right? And right now people are listening to us and probably finding themselves maybe in the space where the suddenly hasn't suddenly happened yet. going through the process of trusting God. But it feels like there's some infrastructure we can build to be ready for when this suddenly happens. There's some gradual we can invest, be it in prayer, be it in trusting God, be it in expectation, be it in creating the... the fabric of relationship and trusting God to build into that. So all these things are, there's things we can do and there's things only God can do. And how do we keep doing what we can do as we are waiting for God to do what only God can do in this journey? Exactly. And I think the one thing I would just highlight, which I think we often sometimes overlook as leaders because we carry the burden and the responsibility. But for me, it's been such a helpful reminder that Jesus longs to pour out his Holy Spirit among us. It is not a thing of us having to twist his arm to make this happen. God longs to pour out his Spirit on his people. But often, because he is a good father, he will not pour out his Spirit in a way that will crush us. And so again, I think there is this invitation, as you say, and so much to say for the importance of the hidden underground work. And because as we know, we if we don't have the foundations right, we can build something tall and impressive. But down the line, if there's a crack, if there's a chink, the enemy can just come and blow it all up. And I honestly believe that's a real prayer for me and for our generation that we would build well in this season for a lifetime of serving Jesus faithfully. And that yes, we would see revival moments, but I believe we need those who will serve faithfully for decades and both start the race well and finish the race well. And as I know you've touched on in other episodes, Yeah, but speak to me about the building well, right? How do we build well? What comes to mind when you're thinking about building well, about how do we plant trees that were lost, right, that would keep going and that would stand the test of time? Because for me… Part of getting to the suddenties of God is just enduring the gradual so that you're ready for this suddenly, right? So, yes, we're building relationships. Yes, we're trusting God. Yes, we're praying. Yes, we're pouring ourselves into expectation. But if we don't last the gradual, we don't experience the suddenly, right? If we don't, you know, and then sometimes we get to the suddenly if we get to turn around, right? Or we're too stubborn or we have a British moment or whatever we end up calling it. But the reality is sometimes we miss out on the, on the suddenly because we haven't done the gradually well. How do we do that gradually well? What has helped you, Sam? In all of your 27 years of incredible experience, come on, man, you're such a wise young man. This is such a good question. And I hope by the time this comes out that we keep learning along the way. We've been looking at the book of Nehemiah Uri the last six months as a team. And again, I love the pattern we see. Nehemiah one, like we shared earlier, there is this work in his heart. There is this deep travail, weeping over Jerusalem. There's a hearing and responding. And we begin to see the provisions being made, slowly, subtly in the background. And then there is this Nehemiah 2 moment that haunts me. Before they give the call, there is this moment where Nehemiah, for three nights, he goes out with a small band and he's assessing the walls of Jerusalem. I really feel like there's something key for us in that because we're living in a moment where, to name it, We love everything that happens quick and fast. We're in a culture where you subscribe, you unsubscribe. We want things that we can build quickly. And the temptation is always going to be to pitch up a tent, just get everyone under it rather than sit to build something that takes more time. And yet for Nehemiah, I think these three nights, this season of hiddenness was absolutely critical. Because I picture, you know, if he rocked up at Jerusalem and just kind of gave this call, come, let us rebuild straight from the off, would people have responded in the same way? And, you know, this is why team is so important, because I get rather terrified of birthing an Ishmael. And so, you know, I have a disposition of let's just keep slowly. Let's just kind of hold back. But as you say, we've got to recognize that there is an invitation to move forward as well and to take steps of faith. And we do see in that moment where Nehemiah gives the call, come let us rebuild. And that building work requires people from many different backgrounds. And, you know, we see the priests getting involved, the perfume makers. the everyday citizen. And so there's a recognition God is doing something far bigger than any one of us. But I do believe a key part of that preparation is the willingness to embrace our hiddenness as a gift. And tying it to the Welsh revival, Evan Roberts came under a lot of criticism. And many often say as well, it was one of the reasons why towards the end of the revival they saw in Wales But I think in this season, I've been learning that embracing hiddenness as a gift is also going to prepare us for the criticism that will come with revival and the way that it will offend us. And, you know, Jesus as Tozer said was the holiest man that walked the streets of Jerusalem and they called him a glutton and a drunkard. And so I do think that timing piece for our building is really key, um, of keeping in step with the spirit. Yeah. Yeah, and I love that, you know, it's Nehemiah's building. He needed many different people. He needed many different components. The same is true for us, right, in our building. Sometimes it's addressing weaknesses. Sometimes it's strengthening strengths. But the reality is that as we prepare for revival, as we're getting ready for God doing what only God can do, us preparing in the ways that we can prepare, gathering in the ways that we can gather, using our times of hiddenness to prepare for the times of revelation, for the times of revival, for the times of God breaking through in a great way is really exciting. Speak to me a little bit about what's next for you. You're 26 years old, Sam, leading a great organization around Europe and with global impact. As you're thinking of the future and of what's next for you, what comes to mind? What's next? Yeah. I mean, in this season, we've been through a reshaping of Revive Europe. And I think our vision is gearing towards how do we reproduce the heart and recognizing that multiplication and reproducing takes time. And because we are under no illusion that what we're asking Jesus to do in Europe is bigger than any one church or movement or organization. So we've been asking how can we serve? And in taking on the role, I was really impacted by a leadership parable written by Leighton Ford. And in his leadership parable, it's called The Mentoring Tree. It's a short, short PDF. I'm sure we could attach it into the podcast. And he contrasts two types of leaders. a banyan tree and an aspen tree. And the banyan trees we know is one of the biggest trees in India. It's very impressive. It has a lot of foliage. And so it absorbs a lot of the light so that smaller things struggle to grow. He contrasts that with the aspen tree which is this slender tree, unassuming on the surface, but deeply interconnected with the roots to the extent that the Aspen Grove in North America is one of the largest living organisms that we know. And the trees reproduce themselves as well. And then for Leighton Ford, who had the opportunity to preach in big stadiums and you know, he just recognized when he was asking the question, what type of legacy do I want to leave? He just said, if we are talking about generational impact here, then we need to be leaders who prepare as aspen trees. And I do believe there is a, I believe there's a place for the catalytic events. We love them. We press into them, but also there is so much to be said for the deep building of roots. And, um, You know, I was recently at the Lausanne Congress, Yuri, and you were there as well. And it really struck me. I think it was back in 1974, Leighton Ford started this arrow, this point group with a group of younger leaders at the time. And many of the leaders that I met in their 70s and 80s at Lausanne Congress in South Korea, still faithfully loving Jesus, they'd been part of this mentoring journey together. And in fact, I've now met, I was sat in a room in January with someone that was part of that group who discipled a leader, who discipled a leader, who discipled me. So there were four generations present in that room, all serving Jesus in a ministry context because of that conviction of being an Aspen tree. And so, you know, even as we seek to build something that will outlive us for the sake of students in Europe with Revive, On a personal level, my deep desire at the moment is just thinking generationally, what does it look like to posture well and leave a legacy like that? So good. You know, I had the privilege to grow up in a generation where Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu and F.W. DeClarke and these guys led a transformation of the nation South Africa. And it was in one of those speeches that Desmond Tutu made the statement. And he said, if you're standing downriver, pulling people, rescuing people that's busy drowning, at some point you've got to go upriver to see who's throwing them in, right, to the water. And the reality is that I think the opposite is true, right? We're often in the space where we're downriver, having the benefit of somebody's ministry, experiencing the depth of their wisdom, seeing God move through them in a mighty way. But we don't always realize who the people are upstream that's invested in their lives, that's made the time, you know. And it just always reminds me that we need to pray and trust God that we'd be putting things in the river that will bless people downstream for years and generations to come. So that, you know... I'm always very aware of the fact that I get to stand on the shoulders of giants. And that makes me pray and say, God, would you cause me to be shoulders that others can stand on for generations to come? Yeah. And I mean, even just to testify to that in my own life, I recently learned, Yuri, we run these Revive Our Hearts retreats where we think about... consecrating our hearts before the Lord. And we think about the generations of our family and where there's been blessing and struggle. And I learned that my great grandfather was a lay preacher in the Methodist church. And every Sunday, he would go into his garden shed, lock the door and pray for the third and fourth generation of the family. And ever since he did that, everyone on my mom's side has followed Jesus. And my sister and I, the fourth generation, we never met him. And yet we see the fruit of his prayers. And so, you know, I also really want to challenge younger leaders listening to this podcast of what an opportunity to start sowing into generations that we will not see now. That's the challenge that I feel I've been left by my great grandfather. And what a legacy if we do that. That's it. That's it. Love it. Man, what a privilege it is to understand. The Bible is actually full of this, right? The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, right? The God of this multi-generational God. He's been at this for generations and he will be at this for generations. And may we play our part. May we do that bit that God has called us to bring in this journey of God. May we be ready for revival, Sam. May we be anticipating and expecting God to move in our lives and our cities and our communities and our colleges. May we be revival ready. May we be anticipating God doing great things. Thank you for joining me today. Any last thoughts, ideas, prayers for revival readiness before we wrap up? I'd love to pray. I just, I think my encouragement, you know, to wrap it back to what we shared earlier about the suddenly moments. And, you know, it's just been on my heart the last week thinking about Mary when she breaks the jar at Jesus's feet. And I do believe, you know, if we as ministry leaders, church leaders, can make space for the suddenly moments, for moments where both as leaders, we can be willing to go first, but also for those who we lead to get to break their jar at the feet of Jesus, to bring a costly offering, to see his perfume released for this generation. I think this will be a key opportunity, key moment for us. So as we surrender, may we be willing to break our jars at the feet of Jesus. Come on. Amen. May that be. Thank you, Sam. Thanks for sharing your heart. I'm so excited about what God is doing in you, what God is doing through you, what God is going to do in the hearts of people as we ready ourselves for God to do what we can't do. This has been What's Next. And it's been a lot of fun speaking to you about what's next for us. May revival be what's next for every one of us. May we see God do what we can't do for ourselves.